jonwashburn: Mortgage rates and rocket science

Mortgage rates and rocket science

 I am not a financial markets expert, nor a rocket scientist, so please take my observations on this post with a grain of salt.

It seems to me like the blue line (30yr fixed rate) follows the direction of the green line (Fed Discount Rate). I believe The Experts claim that the opposite is usually true, but I am not convinced.

If my hunch is correct we may be seeing the blue line go even lower since the green line just dropped to 3%.

Refi boom anyone?

 

(My other hunch is that I will be blasted in the comments of this post by the real experts.) 

25 commentsJonathan Washburn • January 30 2008 09:07PM

Comments

Parked.

(and waiting for the explosion)

Posted by Allentown PA Real Estate Broker * Jennifer Monroe * over 2 years ago

Jonathan,  I actually agree about the refi deal.  Thought about it the other day when I heard how low the rates were.  Unfortunately, how many markets can take advantage of the refi right now?  Maybe Texas and a few others....

No blasts from me.  :)

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa, Realtor ® Spring/Woodlands, TX Real Estate (Prudential Gary Greene, Realtors ®) over 2 years ago
We have re-fi's out the ying-yang here in Wake County, NC.
Posted by Mike Jaquish Cary, NC, Real Estate (KELLER WILLIAMS® Realty) over 2 years ago

Jon - from you blog to a higher power's ears! 

As a real estate broker, the phone is ringing again.  My appraisal company is also busy with refi orders, but the comparable sales are so limited in the prior 12 months, that many of these loans are not going to work out, due to appraised values being stable or slightly declining.  A few sales in an early spring market is what I really need right now!

Posted by Michelle DeRepentigny, *Associate Broker * Broker * Athens, GA (KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY Greater Athens) over 2 years ago
Comparable sales in 12 months? In Florida lenders require comps within the last 90 days! With limited sales, that's a real obstacle.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) over 2 years ago

Jonathan,

Refis occur in waves...Each of the past refi waves have enabled consumers to reduce a considerable amount of their debt...the problem is they kept using their equity to fuel 'new debt' instead of achieving greater solvency...I agree that the Fed would like to give consumers one more chance, so rates would have to fall only a small percentage more to spark that new wave...problem is, in some areas property values have eroded, preventing some from taking advantage of these lower rates...we'll have to wait and see!!! Thanks,   Fran

Posted by Fran 'The Title Man' Gaspari Title Insurance-PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.) over 2 years ago
Jonathan - I'd have to agree with you.  As long as someone has equity and an intrest rate 2% higher than the current rate..it's a refi opportunity.
Posted by Laguna Homes|Laguna Condos| Laguna Real Estate|Marlene Bridges (Sherman Smith & Associates) over 2 years ago
Anyone who has a second or HELOC would be wise to talk to a reputable lender and investigate refi opportunities. The lower rates will also add to the overall pool of available buyers, so hopefully we can make some progress on lowering overall inventory levels.
Posted by John Novak - Las Vegas and Henderson NV Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace) over 2 years ago
I'm ready to refi!  Once it hits a certain point, my lender has permission to lock me in!
Posted by Roswell Georgia Real Estate Agent - Nancy Rivera (Prudential Georgia Realty) over 2 years ago

Sorry I agree with you...refis here they come!!

hehehehe!!!!!!

The buyers are gonna start to come out of the woodwork now....

=-)

Posted by Chicago, Illinois homes for sale ---- Alexander Harb (My Real Estate Referral L.L.C.) over 2 years ago
Jonathan,  I think I'd just let the chart speak for itself.
Posted by Dan Forbes over 2 years ago
Jonathan-refi's yup they are here.....I just heard one of our associates...who is refinancing....and his rate will go down 2 %.....
Posted by Florida Real Estate Trainer | Daytona Beach After School Training | Midori (Coastal Results Referral Company) over 2 years ago
Hello Jonathan, I like the comment above "From your blog to a higher power's ears" . It may actually take that to accomplish the green line intersecting the blue line in real life. I have predicted that we will see sales surge. Then a dose of reality hit me like a ton of bricks, that so many Buyers can not qualify for the loans with the new lending restrictions. So much for that theory.
Posted by San Diego Real Estate Voice authored by William Johnson GRI CRS e-Pro CDPE (RE/MAX Associates) over 2 years ago
PS, Lenders may be too willing to help people treat their homes like ATM's by using their equity to outlast this market. When  the market improves ( at least as far as sales are concerned), these ATM owners will be the over priced inventory that will take  Herculean efforts to sell.
Posted by San Diego Real Estate Voice authored by William Johnson GRI CRS e-Pro CDPE (RE/MAX Associates) over 2 years ago
indeed, it is a time when everyone wants to refinance which is great for loan officers!
Posted by Bill's Blog - Florida Realty Professional - AHWD (Charles Rutenberg Realty) over 2 years ago
W have been real busy for a month and a half and no end in site. Low end stuff for us is under  $300K.
Posted by Jay McGillicuddy~Real Estate Broker (Prudential Verani Realty) over 2 years ago
You called it.  I've heard a few people already looking into their refis.  Another golden opportunity.
Posted by Linda Sanderson (Coldwell Banker Solano Pacific) over 2 years ago

I am confounded by the varied expectations of the current situation. 

Credit crunch mean reduces money supply... which means higher cost for the money (if we are to believe that mortgage apps are rising like the wind). 

Fewer buyers means that mortgage lenders need to lower prices in order to drum up business.  And if they don't have business, they fold.  They don't want to fold, so...

It's fun to watch.   

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty) over 2 years ago
If only your suspicions were true!
Posted by Benjamin Clark - Exclusive BUYER'S AGENT - Certified Negotiation Expert - SLC, UT (Homebuyer Representation, Inc.) over 2 years ago

Jonathan,

Who could blast our illustrious leader?  I hope you are correct.  I would like to refi and the lower the rate the better!

Posted by Fran Gatti - Realtor®, CDPE®, RDCPro®, Crescent City CA Real Estate (RE/MAX Coastal Redwoods) over 2 years ago

Jonathan,

I love the graph and the comment that it does speak for itself, despite but others say about it. 

Posted by Karen Moorhead Ann Arbor Area Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty) over 2 years ago
It is hard to argue with the results.  The chart does speak for itself.
Posted by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTOR® (Century 21 Liberty Homes) over 2 years ago
I haven't figured out why our interest rates are still at 5.65%.  If the rates do drop to 3%, I see several weeks of total feeding frenzy for the refi loans.  I would borrow just to put the money in the bank at 5% and make money.
Posted by Kay Van Kampen–Springfield, Ozark, Nixa Greene County Missouri Real Estate Agent (RE/MAX Broker, RE/MAX Solutions) over 2 years ago
I agrhe rest of the year.ee, all rates will be coming down for t
Posted by Larry Brewer (Benchmark Realty LLc) over 2 years ago

Ummm, no:

Fed target rate down, mortgage rates up

Bond market puts the smackdown on the US Treasury - Rates up

The correlation is rapidly breaking down as the spreads are increasing very fast.  The last 5 years were a fairly weird time historically as structured finance and lax lending standards contributed to abnormally low mortgage rates.  You'll see this revert to the mean and then some over the next several years. 

Posted by Matt Heaton (Timu Corp - CEO, ActiveRain - Co-founder) over 2 years ago

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